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The former Napoleon Solo tries to keep his temper as Reginald Rose's 'Twelve Angry Men' comes to the West End

Do you have tricks to help you learn your lines?

I wish I did, because the only hard part about acting is learning the lines, and the other part is... it seems very obvious, but what you've got to create on that stage every night in the same role is the illusion that the person you're playing is saying those words, and no other words, for the first and only time they've ever been said in the history of mankind. You have said them that night at that time and it took you that many seconds to say them. And you've got to do that every night so it's an awesome responsibility. It's hard. It's so hard it's impossible.

It was The Man from U.N.C.L.E. that really broke you through to a huge audience, wasn't it?

Oh no question about it, because up until that time I had guest-starred in just about every Western - I did a lot of Westerns because I could ride, not well but well enough to ride in movies. We had all kinds of live TV shows at that time, like Playhouse 90 and Studio One, and I did all of them. That's a really terrifying experience to do a live TV show where you can't stop, you've got to keep going until it's over, and the whole country is looking at you at the same time. So it's kind of scary. I had done all those and the only security you ever have in this business is either a long run in a play or a long run in a TV series, so I told my agent to keep an eye out for something that would be considered worthwhile to do for the future, in terms of financial gain.The Arts Desk Q & A with Robert Vaughn Part 2 - Robert VaughnAt that time the James Bond movies had just started to come out, From Russia with Love and Goldfinger, whatever the first ones were. And along came Man from U.N.C.L.E.Ian Fleming was a good friend of the man who created it [Norman Felton], so they really were trying to do James Bond on television and lo and behold, they accepted me to be James Bond on TV. They did an interesting thing to find out whether I had enough appeal for the job - they went around and interviewed a lot of girls that I had dated, and they wanted to know "do you think he's got enough pizzazz" or whatever, and I guess I got the vote. I had enough of whatever was necessary and that's how it came about.

You were renowned for being a very suave operator.

I guess so, yeah. I'm actually not at all like that person, I'm more of a slob as my wife will attest.

Do you still see your former Man from U.N.C.L.E. co-star David McCallum?

(Vaughn with McCallum as Illya Kuryakin, pictured left)

We don't see each other a great deal, though we live fairly close to each other. He lives in New York City and I live in Connecticut, about an hour north of NYC. We always call each other on our birthdays and say hello. He's in the huge American hit NCIS, and I think he's been in that for about 10 years.

I liked that role you played in Bullitt, the slimy politician called Chalmers?

If you've been in a hit show like U.N.C.L.E., the best thing that can happen to you is when you get out of that hit TV show you get into a good movie. Fortunately the first movie I did after U.N.C.L.E. was Bullitt. My good friend Steve McQueen had the wisdom to cast me in the role opposite him in the picture, which was a huge financial success, and now it's kinda gone down as the movie that had the best car chase, before there were car chases. It really was a great car chase, because it wasn't done theatrically in terms of tricks. Those were two guys in those two cars driving all over San Francisco one Sunday afternoon.

The Arts Desk Q & A with Robert Vaughn Part 2 - Robert VaughnDid McQueen drive the Mustang himself?

Well I think he did. The insurance company said they wouldn't insure the picture or McQueen if he did it, but I think in some of the longer shots he sneaked in and did it, because he loved to drive. Most of the drivers I'm aware of all said that he could have made a handsome living as a driver, as could Paul Newman. They both really were skilled drivers. And James Garner too.

(Vaughn with McQueen in Bullitt, left).

You were also in The Magnificent Seven and The Towering Inferno with McQueen, so you must have known him pretty well?

Very well, yeah. He was an oddball guy. His attraction on screen was the same thing he had in person. There was something offbeat about him, he wasn't like anyone else. He wasn't easy to like, but I liked him because there was something interesting about him. I've always said - and I know I'm correct in this sagacious observation - that the essence of stardom in movies is sex appeal. If women find you attractive you're home free. If you can also act a little bit it helps too. And Steve had super sex appeal. When we were filming Bullitt they'd stand there behind screens looking at him, like "if I could get my hands on him for one second..." . And he had an international appeal, women all over the world liked him.

Acting aside, you have an academic bent too. In fact you have a PhD in Political Science. Was academe ever a career option for you?

It always had been kind of an option until the Vietnam war came along and I publicly and enthusiastically made myself an opponent of the war. A lot of people at the time - this was the early Sixties - said, "What does he know about the war? Does he have policy papers in front of him every morning like the President has to?" Well that's ********. Unless it's secret for some reason, public papers are available any time you want to get your hands on them, and particularly the history of the war in Vietnam. So I decided that maybe my opposition and arguments against the war would have more validity if I actually finished my doctorate, which I was in the midst of doing, so that's what I did. It did make a difference. I was invited to many more lofty places to speak, like Harvard and so on, that I wasn't invited to before I became Dr Vaughn. The great wisdom of a PhD!

The political side was just Vietnam. I was not actively involved with any other candidate except Robert Kennedy, who I knew personally, and I enthusiastically supported him for president in 1968. And of course he was killed in the last primary, the California primary in June of 1968. But I wasn't a Democrat or a Republican, if anything I probably was a libertarian, whatever that means - I don't know. It means you're not a Democrat or a Republican. Non-aligned.

How did you know Bobby Kennedy?

When I was doing my doctorate work at the University of Southern California he came to speak at the school. The Kennedys had a thing that they always used Lincoln Continental cars when they were on the campaign trail, because the rear of the Lincoln was flat and they could get up on the rear flat end and stand there and be comfortable. I went out into the audience to hear him, it was an outdoor thing, very crowded, he looked down at me and said [imitates Kennedy's New England drawl],"Well what would Napoleon Solo do in this situation, Mr Vaughn?" - that's how he talked - and so I knew he was aware of Man from U.N.C.L.E.. Then as a result of that I got to know all his children very well and I was a house guest a lot of times when I was on the East Coast, because the kids loved the show so they'd invite me. Then out of that grew my involvement with the anti-war movement, and Kennedy was in fact the leader of the anti-war movement. So that's how I got to know him, and I saw his best and worst moments, his unhappiest moments.

The end of the Sixties was a bleak period in the USA?

A terrible time, and then Richard Nixon became President in 1968 and had to resign in '74. They were trying times for the country, because watching a leader who had been elected by a huge landslide then being forced to resign was a stunning thing for the government and for America I think. It definitely shook my faith in the American system. Nixon was a tragic, almost Greek character in the sense that he had a brilliant mind. Even people who disliked him intensely thought he had a brilliant analytical mind, in terms of foreign policy particularly. He opened the door to China and no Democrat could have done that. He knew all the world leaders of his time on a first name basis, so he was able to pick up the phone and talk to Brezhnev or Gromyko or whoever he had to talk to, because they respected him. But he was a deeply flawed character, that all came out with Watergate of course. I never met him - I would like to have met him, I think it would have been fascinating. It would have been fascinating to meet Hitler too I guess. If you didn't know his record

(left, Vaughn as Major Krüger in The Bridge at Remagen, 1969).The Arts Desk Q & A with Robert Vaughn Part 2 - Robert Vaughn

As an actor, you've played several Presidents, I think?

I've played Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Nixon. Five of 'em! I never got to play John F Kennedy, but enough has been said about him and his extra-political activities. A book came out about 10 years ago about all the drugs he was taking, not to get high but to cope with a variety of health conditions he had all his life. I know Bobby Kennedy said he never had a day of his life without pain - even when he was a young man he was in constant pain all the time because of his back problem. He took a lot of cortisone, and cortisone has three side effects that I know of. One of them is bloating of the face, and you see pictures of John Kennedy at different times in his life and there's a huge difference in his face. The second thing is a sense of megalomania - you could attribute that to anybody who wanted to be President. And the last thing was a highly developed sex drive, so he had them all.

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